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    Default Save As dialog: Format options sub-dialog missing or shows up in corner of the screen

    Steps to reproduce:

    1. Open a .jpg image file
    2. Hit 'S' to open "Save as" dialog
    . JPG is already selected as save type, and "Show options dialog" is already checked.
    . But there is no JPG options dialog window. Normally it should be docked to right of "Save As" dialog window (as in IV 4.44)
    3. If I hit the Esc key, the Save As dialog should close, but does not, so the focus is somewhere weird
    4. If I uncheck and recheck the "Show options dialog" box, the JPG options dialog shows up in the top-right corner of screen. Any repositioning is not saved.
    5. For other formats I checked, PDF shows up in top-left, while PNG does not show up at all.

    This happened when I went from IV v4.44 to v4.50. I used "irfanview_plugins_450_setup.exe" to update the plugins as well.

    (on WinXP-SP3, 32-bit)

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    No such issue here. Windows XP has been obsolete for three years now. If I was a developer I would not fix bugs that are only reproducible on Windows XP.

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    Thanks for checking. Even if it isn't addressed, I think it's still useful to report it just in case other users have same problem. It's been so nice for some developers to continue supporting the older OS's even with their dwindling user bases. Irfan even still lists 2003, 2008, Vista, 7, and 8, which is impressive. I know it's considered unfashionable or contemptible to continue to use the older ones, I use several including Windows 10, but some machines that are still useful cannot be upgraded. Thank you for your time.

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    The best generic advice is to use old versions of software on old OS, and the latest versions only on a new OS.

    Irfan Skiljan is a the sole developer of IrfanView. He is very good, and often fixes things promptly when asked, but I don't see his time being well spent to fix minor issues for Windows XP. At least the 32-bit version of the program still runs on it.

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    Thanks for the advice. I agree with you of course about the value of Irfan's time. I just wanted to express my appreciation and gratitude for his dedication and supporting it as long as he has. It's been so long I can't even remember when I started using it, but I don't think there's another essential program I use (especially freeware) that I've used longer that is still actively developed (well, besides vim).

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    Ah, joy. Fixed in v4.51. Keyboard focus still lost when format sub-options dialog opens, but can get it back by Alt+TAB-ing away (to another window) and back again (Windows XP).

    Thank you Irfan!

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    For me it works on Windows XP in 4.50 (I will look into updating later). The focus is on the filename field, and is moved back there if I click on "Show options dialog". Maybe the cause for it not working is some system-wide modification to the Save As dialog that changes its size or adds extra buttons to it. Can you make a screenshot of the dialog?

    Criticising Windows XP is not appropriate here. Of course Microsoft would like you to buy their new products all time. Later versions of Windows are 10-20 times bigger than XP and require more memory.
    Last edited by j7n; 28.02.2018 at 01:51 PM.

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    Sure thing. I'm glad someone else is interested. This is from v4.51 just after 'S' is hit.
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    If the dialog on the right (jpg options) wasn't there, then the focus would be on the filename, as you said. Besides clicking on "Show options dialog", if you change the extension field to anything that changes the options dialog, then the focus also disappears.

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    Unfortunately I do not see anything odd in this dialog to explain the behavior. I was thinking that the loss of focus might be due to an invisible control being focused because of an error. I can see that IrfanView tries to "help" by actively moving focus to the filename after the extension list is clicked, and also to shift focus to the Options dialog when the Tab key is pressed several times. In other programs, the focus remains where the mouse was clicked.

    I tried v4.51 on WinXP and Svr2003, and it works as expected.

    A slight strangeness occurs if Tab is pressed twice on the Cancel button. The "Recent folders" list expands but can't be interacted with the keyboard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j7n View Post
    Unfortunately I do not see anything odd in this dialog to explain the behavior. I was thinking that the loss of focus might be due to an invisible control being focused because of an error. I can see that IrfanView tries to "help" by actively moving focus to the filename after the extension list is clicked, and also to shift focus to the Options dialog when the Tab key is pressed several times. In other programs, the focus remains where the mouse was clicked.

    I tried v4.51 on WinXP and Svr2003, and it works as expected.

    A slight strangeness occurs if Tab is pressed twice on the Cancel button. The "Recent folders" list expands but can't be interacted with the keyboard.
    Yeah, it's odd why yours (on XP-SP1, I presume) is working correctly and like the version, say, on Windows 10, as opposed to mine on the newer XP-SP3. I give up.

    "Strangeness" Tab GUI bug: (also applies to v4.51 32-bit version on Windows 10 Home): From what I see, if you hit TAB twice on "Cancel", focus switches to "Save file with original date/time" checkbox, then "Show options dialog" checkbox (if unchecked), as expected. A third TAB puts you in "Recent Folders" and then it starts over. Ok.

    But if "Show options dialog" is already checked, the second TAB from Cancel puts you on "Show options dialog" again but also opens the "Recent Folders" dropdown list (a bug), like you said. The focus is still really on "Show options" which is why you can't seem to interact with the list. The arrow keys are just moving back and forth between "Show options" and "Save original date" but you can't see that because the dropdown box is covering them. If you shrink the main dialog you can see some of this. The bug is continued when you hit TAB again - it doesn't just go to "Recent Folders" (already open) but closes the list and immediately skips to the Options dialog.

    SO: It seems the Options dialog doesn't play nice with "Recent Folders" when TAB-ing.

    Since this happens on Windows 10 Home (Irfanview 32-bit v4.51), I guess you could start a new bug thread on it (I'm not going to).

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