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    Thanks for the tips ChuckE. That 3-for-1 OS deal from Dell looks pretty appealing!

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    ....and when you have installed and mastered all those operating systems you can tell us which one runs the USB fastest. If you still care!

    ..and then of course there's Linux to try, in all its different flavors...

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    Give me time Mij, give me time!

    You know, I think I'm already behind trying to buy a new PC, when USB 3.0 is coming out right around the corner.

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    USB 3.0, which is supposed to be about 10x the speed of 2.0, (in other words 4.8Gbps!!) is having a bit of a problem with getting through standards and testing.
    See Google search: usb 3.0 spec

    Also, if you are worrying about the cost of a computer, and then, in the next breath suggesting that you want USB 3.0, well, it seems counter-intuitive. Any computer that is going to have USB 3.0 (when and if) then that computer is going to be a high-buck, high performance machine.

    For those of you who are counting bps, here is a brief listing of the various interfaces and their theoretical speeds:
    USB1.1 = 12 Mbps 1.5MB/s
    FW400 = 400 Mbps 50MB/s
    USB2.0 = 480 Mbps 60MB/s
    FW800 = 800 Mbps 100MB/s
    SCSI160 = 1280 Mbps 160MB/s
    SATA1 = 1500 Mbps 188MB/s
    SCSI320 = 2560 Mbps 320MB/s
    SATA2 = 3000 Mbps 375MB/s
    USB3.0 = 4800 Mbps 600MB/s
    HDMI1.2 = 4950 Mbps 619MB/s
    SATA3 = 6000 Mbps 750MB/s
    HDMI1.3 = 10200 Mbps 1275MB/s
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    I know, I was just being sarcastic. You can't wait for the next technology, you'll be waiting forever.

    Thanks for the list.

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    I agree with ChuckE - if your Notebook survives the 1-year warranty period - give it a few more months for luck - then its gonna last until you're sick of it! Brand-wise, either hp or Dell are fine. What is more important is, just how good the service center is, both in terms of their ability to fix problems and their ability to do it in time!

    Support for brands is quite location-specific! At Singapore, support for Dell was excellent. However in India, Dell's support is almost non-existent, while support for hp, Compaq and Acer are par excellence! Even a day's waiting is intolerable, isn't it, when your Notebook is down?

    Compaq Notebooks aren't as rugged as hp in my experience. Though hp bought over Compaq in one of the biggest buy-outs, years ago, they continue to brand differently: apparently, hp is for the business user and Compaq for the home/ small office user.

    If you will get Windows 7 free when it is released, you may not want to wait any longer. You will definitely have to invest in AntiVirus and AntiSpyware though, for none of the versions that run under Vista run under Windows 7! Maybe upgrade to Windows 7-compatible versions of some software... Everything else that's important to me, that runs under XP, runs under Windows 7 too, but that's of course no guarantee that your experience will be the same too!

    Microsoft has a tool for Application Compatibility - Microsoft Application Compatibility Toolkit

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    Quote Originally Posted by WellOiledPC View Post
    I agree with ChuckE - if your Notebook survives the 1-year warranty period - give it a few more months for luck - then its gonna last until you're sick of it!
    Don't I know it. I'm driving a 21 year-old Japanese car that I still love. Maybe that's why I seem to stick with Sony. I'm willing to pay a premium upfront if it will give me trouble-free years of service.

    What is more important is, just how good the service center is, both in terms of their ability to fix problems and their ability to do it in time!
    I guess I don't care so much how good support is, just as long as I don't have to use it!

    Even a day's waiting is intolerable, isn't it, when your Notebook is down?
    No, it's not so bad waiting. I just don't like shoddy technicians touching my stuff. I've seen how bad a job can be at the mechanic. Sometimes, you have to basically do the job over again yourself to get it right. Besides, labor and parts are outrageous.

    Compaq Notebooks aren't as rugged as hp in my experience. Though hp bought over Compaq in one of the biggest buy-outs, years ago, they continue to brand differently: apparently, hp is for the business user and Compaq for the home/ small office user.
    I've tried someone's Compaq before and it seems pretty good, but I would lean towards an HP. I've only used HP printers and calculators. But my impression of the brand is mixed. They make very nice equipment, but I'm unsure of the quality. I've seen a bad monitor and print cartridge here and there.

    Before Sony, I owned a used Gateway2000 (before they became just Gateway!) with Win95, and that 13 year-old machine still runs today. That has been a very good experience too, but I also have not used it as much, only 6 years, then only once in awhile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WellOiledPC View Post
    You will definitely have to invest in AntiVirus and AntiSpyware though, for none of the versions that run under Vista run under Windows 7!
    I have had no problems with my free AVG v8.5 running on WinXP, Vista or Win7.

    Also, soon, as quoted from Leo LaPorte at techguylabs.com:
    "Microsoft has decided to give away an AntiVirus utility in the near future. It’ll be a complete solution which replaces both an AVS and Spyware catcher. And word is, it’s an excellent utility that’ll get better once out of beta."

    When MS comes out with that, they should have (should? who knows?) versions for all their supported operating systems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skippybox View Post
    Don't I know it. I'm driving a 21 year-old Japanese car that I still love. Maybe that's why I seem to stick with Sony. I'm willing to pay a premium upfront if it will give me trouble-free years of service.
    Notebook parts are sourced from a number of suppliers and integrated by the 'Branded' Notebook vendor after 'Quality Checks'. Trouble is, nobody (including the Branded Notebook manufacturer) can be sure that each finished product will turn out to be trouble-free... even if you're willing to pay a premium.

    I guess I don't care so much how good support is, just as long as I don't have to use it!
    Nobody wants to 'test' Support! Its rather like Life Insurance - unpleasant, but good sense!

    No, it's not so bad waiting. I just don't like shoddy technicians touching my stuff. I've seen how bad a job can be at the mechanic. Sometimes, you have to basically do the job over again yourself to get it right. Besides, labor and parts are outrageous.
    Totally agree, except that I want quick service AND excellent service!

    I've tried someone's Compaq before and it seems pretty good, but I would lean towards an HP. I've only used HP printers and calculators. But my impression of the brand is mixed. They make very nice equipment, but I'm unsure of the quality. I've seen a bad monitor and print cartridge here and there.
    As I said, no guarantees are possible here. Fact is though that HP has been world leaders in the Notebooks niche for over 5 years now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckE View Post
    I have had no problems with my free AVG v8.5 running on WinXP, Vista or Win7.

    Also, soon, as quoted from Leo LaPorte at techguylabs.com:
    "Microsoft has decided to give away an AntiVirus utility in the near future. It’ll be a complete solution which replaces both an AVS and Spyware catcher. And word is, it’s an excellent utility that’ll get better once out of beta."

    When MS comes out with that, they should have (should? who knows?) versions for all their supported operating systems.
    I doubt whether Microsoft have the same prowess as Symantec, AVG and company, where AntiVirus, AntiSpyware and other nasty things are concerned!

    I shy away from Freeware, where Security products are concerned. And, quite OK where most other software products are concerned. Freeware AntiVirus isn't the same as a freeware Image Viewer or a freeware Media Player! In the event of a Zero Day Virus attack, guess who releases the patch first?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WellOiledPC
    guess who releases the patch first?
    Simple. MICROSOFT!!

    In the area of "Zero Day Exploits" your really can't expect a free anti-virus company to get there that quick, at least not on "day zero." But being "day zero" it is only Microsoft that is going to be "Johnny on the spot" right there on the day that a hole is announced, since it is them that announced the hole - ALONG with the patch for it (MS does not announce a hole without the patch for it). So, the very first line of defense, against any Zero Day exploit, is going to have to be Microsoft and the patches that they announced on that day zero.

    It is the virus creators who use the info that Microsoft supplies on Day Zero that then create the viruses to exploit the hole, announced by MS, that are going to immediately follow the trails left by MS. But if you get the critical updates, announced by MS on Day Zero, there is no problem there.

    Given that 'breathing room', then using the frequent updates provided by the free anti-virus companies (like AVG or Avast) and you should be adequately protected.

    I have a half-dozen computers, and I only use the free AVG, along with the critical MS updates as they are announced, and I can't recall ever getting a virus.
    I wish to die peacefully in my sleep, like my grandfather.
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