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    Enhanced resample does not work in 4.20

    Hello,

    I used Irfanview since ... a very long time (before copyright) I love this viewer!
    Great thanks to Irfan!

    I have found a big difference between 4.10 and 4.20 in the enhanced resampling mode. View is worst in 4.20 as you can see in the 2 following images.


    Version 4.20



    Version 4.10

    These pictures are screenshots of the same jpg scanning, but done with the 2 IrfanView versions.

    Another annoying problem is, when you do screen shots and put clipboard in IrfanView, that the save option is jpg with 4.10 version (good idea), and allways bmp with 4.20 version. ... and i use this method a lot of time every days! ... so i have erased 4.20 .

    Have a nice day
    JMP76

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    #2
    Originally posted by JMP76 View Post
    I have found a big difference between 4.10 and 4.20 in the enhanced resampling mode. View is worst in 4.20 as you can see in the 2 following images.
    If you are referring to the Resample display option, then I don't see a difference here from 4.1 to 4.2. How did you do it? Did you choose Resample after the image was loaded? If so, it won't be applied in either version. You must do a refresh first.

    Another annoying problem is, when you do screen shots and put clipboard in IrfanView, that the save option is jpg with 4.10 version (good idea), and allways bmp with 4.20 version. ... and i use this method a lot of time every days!
    Both 4.1 and 4.2 by default, start with BMP in the Save As dialog. As soon as you save something using another extension like JPG, that extension is remembered for next time. It sounds like you've done this in 4.1 and have forgotten. If only you had given 4.2 a chance...

    ... so i have erased 4.20 .
    Sounds like a mistake. Don't be so quick to discard it, read the manual.

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      #3
      This is not a bug report — it is just a grumble.

      If you want to file a proper report, you need to keep 4.20 installed, make a proper report, and see if anyone else can reproduce the problem. Then, if we find something is wrong, we can file a bug report.

      1. We need an orignal image to test. That means either a link to the page where you took the screenshot, or an image in lossless format. Then we need to know exactly how you resampled the image.

      2. The Clipboard always has been a bitmap until such time as you save it. Then the save dialogue will default to the previous format that you used the last time you saved a file.
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        #4
        guess he just activated "sharpen after resample" and put it on a high value before. Maybe in addition with a low-quality filter. The outcomes are similar.

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          #5
          Tried everything to produce your 'bug'report, but no luck. Sorry but you must be mistaken about something. I don't think your Radeon videocard is guilty here, but it could be a point of notice. We're working in the same SP3-GUI and I've seen no difference in Irfan's great and fast resample routine in any version for a long time. But of course IrfanView 4(.1) is an excellent version too and when you're happy about it, why not use that one

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            #6
            Sorry for late answer, i thunk i will receive automatic replies...

            2. The Clipboard always has been a bitmap until such time as you save it. Then the save dialogue will default to the previous format that you used the last time you saved a file.
            This is not true!
            I do the following screen shot with IrfanView4.2

            1- Start 4.20



            2- Select an appli and do [alt-gr]-[Print screen]

            copy in IV with [shift]-[insert]

            Save with [ctrl-S]
            you get here a save window. you have to select jpg and the path.


            3- select a second window, and do [alt-gr]-[Print screen]
            copy in IV (same instance) with [shift]-[insert]

            Save with [ctrl-S]
            you get here a save window. you have to re-select jpg and re-select the path


            .

            If you do the same thing with 4.10, you don't have to select jpg (once it has been done) and don't have to re-select path (once it has been done)
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              #7
              Sorry about all your work trying to convince us, but IrfanView 4.2 remembers the last format you saved/converted a file to. Maybe you'd try it on another system. You need not search to the first path at a second save. Just hit s in stead of Ctrl-s. Maybe there's something wrong with your i_view32.ini file. Rename it and try again.

              You should get an automatic reply. Maybe it has been seen as spam by your provider (my provider does sometimes and throw it in a spam-map in my inbox).

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                #8
                I grabbed your BMP (please use PNG for screenshots).

                Opened in IrfanView

                Save (Ctrl S)

                Previously used path and file format were remembered.
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Skippybox View Post
                  If you are referring to the Resample display option, then I don't see a difference here from 4.1 to 4.2. How did you do it? Did you choose Resample after the image was loaded? If so, it won't be applied in either version. You must do a refresh first.
                  Sorry for disturbing you! I do a mistake. Enhanced resample was set but only for resampling images. I forgot the enhance display... I was in a hurry, and i did not spent enough time.

                  Both 4.1 and 4.2 by default, start with BMP in the Save As dialog. As soon as you save something using another extension like JPG, that extension is remembered for next time. It sounds like you've done this in 4.1 and have forgotten. If only you had given 4.2 a chance...
                  The problem still exists. see my other reply...

                  Sounds like a mistake. Don't be so quick to discard it, read the manual.
                  In reality, thanks to IrfanView, i have 2 versions installed. I just associate jpg to 4.10 version.

                  IrfanView is a VERY usefull viewer. I used it as a general purpose in viewing tasks, or html creation.
                  Oh by the way, html are not compliant to Tidy. I have to correct each html page including thumbs.

                  <style>body {font-family:Verdana;}</style> must be replace by:
                  <style type="text/css"> body {font-family:Verdana;} </style>

                  and each element of a table must be defined as (exemple):

                  <TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=BOTTOM>
                  <A HREF="A2576X-1.html" target="_self" style="text-decoration:none">
                  <IMG SRC="A2576X-1_t.jpg" width="200" height="200" BORDER="0" ALT="A2576X-1.jpg">
                  <FONT face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Sans-Serif"><br>A2576X-1.jpg<br>58.33 KB</FONT></A></TD>

                  which is an optimized solution, without errors.

                  Best regards
                  JMP

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                    #10
                    Thak you for your help!

                    Originally posted by Sjef View Post
                    Sorry about all your work trying to convince us, but IrfanView 4.2 remembers the last format you saved/converted a file to. Maybe you'd try it on another system. You need not search to the first path at a second save. Just hit s in stead of Ctrl-s. Maybe there's something wrong with your i_view32.ini file. Rename it and try again.
                    I think i have found the problem.
                    My must important work is to start a jpg (obtained by a scanner) and do a crop using Ctrl-Y followed by a Ctrl-S.
                    So i think to have never done, with 4.20, menu > file > save (or S) and this function is needed to save the last directory and the jpg mode!

                    I tried to erase ini file, and do only ctrl-s, without any success.
                    When i tried your S advice, the application became OK.

                    Why do I use ctrl-S? because i need to crop and save on the same directory (and not in the last saved directory!)
                    [in fact, i have written a personnal application using scanners and IrfanView in DOS mode, asking to IrfanView to crop, resample (high quality), sharp, ... I need OCR!!! ]


                    Originally posted by Sjef View Post
                    You should get an automatic reply. Maybe it has been seen as spam by your provider (my provider does sometimes and throw it in a spam-map in my inbox).
                    I will check that. I have not asked, to my ISP, to filter spams.
                    I use ZA filter and K9 filter. They put spams in a special directory. No Irfanview messages!
                    Can you give me an example of header coming from this forum?

                    [ It seems I have the same problem with ccTech list]

                    JMP

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                      #11
                      Ctrl»s = OpenDir (see i_view32.ini / [Open])
                      s = SaveDir (see i_view32.ini / [Copy/Move])
                      Use Ctrl»s to save to the folder where you started an IrfanView-associated file from.
                      Use s to save to the folder you last used to save to.

                      Both shortcuts should remember the last format you saved.
                      Are you really sertain your scanner sents its scans to the right version of IrfanView? I would not advice to associate your files with different versions of IrfanView. If I were you I'd uncheck all associations on version 4.1 and click OK. Then start version 4.2 and check all the associations you need and click OK. Now you can use 4.1 to scan/crop, and use 4.2 to view your files. Or (as you said you solved the problem of your enhanced resampling mode) use 4.2 for all your graphics jobs including scanning.

                      The header of an IrfanView message is IrfanView Support Forum. Good luck and lots of succes

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                        #12
                        I tried, and the result is:
                        the directories where IV goes to are different for the "save as" and the <ctrl>-S key.
                        The first goes to the directory where you saved last using "save as", and keeping the last selected format.
                        The latter refers to the %user% directory. If you paste into a blank IV and use <ctrl>-S, the %user%-dir is opened and the format from the last "save as" is used for default. It is not set to the format you selected in last <ctrl>-S save!

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                          #13
                          As far as I can see, 4.1 and 4.2 behave the same when it comes to Save or Save As.

                          For clipboard items, you should be using Save As (key S), which suggests saving the bitmap in the last directory in which you saved a file using Save As, and the last format you used to save that file (if you haven't yet, then the default is suggested). No directories or formats will be retained from past uses of the Save command. This is for good reason. Save actions should not interfere with Save As, so that you can always be assured that you are saving to the same place. Save is meant for rare, or very unique saving to an alternate location that is usually one-time only.

                          For existing files such as your previously saved screenshots, you should be using Save (keys CTRL+S) to overwrite file edits like cropping. Save recalls the actual directory from which you loaded the image, and the format the file is in. This is why you don't even need a dialog. However, the dialog does give you one last chance to change your mind, and possibly choose an alternate format and/or directory, neither of which will be remembered again.

                          Save As (S) though may be preferable in some situations. If you don't wish to overwrite, but want new files from your edited ones, then Save As allows you to repeatably save to another location. This is a convenience during editing, allowing you to quickly save to the same location you previously saved a file, and its format. But, while that location may be good for that session, it may not be good for another. Consequently, you may have to change back and forth your directories/formats at least once. Save As also will not prevent you from choosing the same directory and format as an existing file, so overwrites are still possible.

                          Now since Save (CTRL+S) is not meant for saving new files, you may encounter some variations in behavior when trying to use it. If a file has been opened in the viewer, this will create a MRUD entry that will be used in the Save dialog as the directory; the format will come from Save As. However, if you only pasted something in IV, and didn't open anything, then the MRUD will be empty. Now, which directory appears in Save, depends on what your Program Start Folder is in Properties>Misc.2. No Folder will cause the IV directory to be displayed in Save, Last used folder will use the most recent MRUD, usually Dir2, and Specific folder will use the folder specified, otherwise it reverts to the the IV directory.

                          BTW, in the ini, section [Others], SaveIndex specifies the format! Simply find the position in the list to track the number.

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