Changes not saved

[Cynthia Moore]

I have several photos that were taken sideways. I open them in IV and press R or L until they are rightside up. I then press Ctrl+s. I am asked if I want to replace the photo. I click Yes.

When I look in the folder, I see that the file timestamp has changed, but when I open it, the photo is still sideways. I did this several times and with several photos.

This has never happened before, and I have been using IV for 20 years or more.

Can anyone offer a possible explanation or, more importantly, a cure?

Thanks

[Cynthia Moore]

It turns out that the problem has something to do with me adding an oval around the area of interest in the photo. Once I drag the ellipse tool onto the photo and save it, when I reopen it, it is rotated 90 degrees. This has never happened to me before.

Does that information help? I did it with 2-3 photos with the same results. I will try to upload the before and after images. PostImage seems to have changed the way it saves files, so I hope this works.

This is before I added the annotation:



And this is after annotation:



The actual photo files are in this OneDrive folder: https://1drv.ms/u/s!ArBLbKVM2K_HiPUgheoYGNuSvmyWQA

[JendaLinda]

In JPEG save options, select "Reset EXIF orientation tag"

[Cynthia Moore]

In JPEG save options, select "Reset EXIF orientation tag"

Thanks. That works if I am saving the image as a new jpeg (s), but I am not given that option if I am saving it back to the original image (Ctrl+s). Is there a way that I can change that setting before saving? I think I see that setting in Info | EXIF Settings, but I don't see any way to change it. And if I rotate the image, that setting does not change, so that seems to be the problem.

[JendaLinda]

Have you disabled the Save dialog when using Ctrl+S? By default, the Save dialog is displayed always.

[Cynthia Moore]

Have you disabled the Save dialog when using Ctrl+S? By default, the Save dialog is displayed always.

Not intentionally. How can I check that and reset it if changed?

[Bhikkhu Pesala]

There is a checkbox at the bottom of the Save As.. dialog to show/hide the Save Options dialog.

[Cynthia Moore]

There is a checkbox at the bottom of the Save As.. dialog to show/hide the Save Options dialog.

I found it under Options | File Handling. It was unchecked. Thanks

[Cynthia Moore]

I think I understand some of the settings that I didn't before, but this sequence is still puzzling to me.

1. I open a photo. It displays right side up.
2. I check the Orientation (Info | EXIF info). It is "right top".
3. I open the Paint dialog, select the ellipse tool, and draw a circle around something.
4. I check the Orientation. It is still Right Top.
5. I type Ctrl+s to save the changes.
6. I get the Save... dialog.
7. I see that Reset EXIF orientation tag is not checked.
8. I click Save.
9. I am asked if I want to replace the existing file.
10. I click Yes.
11. I press Esc to close the file.
12. I reopen that photo. It displays rotated 90 degrees clockwise.
13. I check the Orientation setting. It is still Right Top
14. I type "l" to reorient it.

Why does the photo open right side up before I add the markup, but rotated afterwards?

[Cynthia Moore]

I have 2 more questions:

1. When I modify an image and save it, the file date/time is not changed. The Save file with original date/time option is not checked.
2. If I op0en a file, rotate it, and close it, I am not asked if I want to save the changes as I am with any other edit.

[JendaLinda]

By default, IrfanView automatically rotates the picture according to the orientation tag. If "Reset EXIF orientation" is not checked, the tag is not updated, so the picture will be rotated again next time.

[Cynthia Moore]

By default, IrfanView automatically rotates the picture according to the orientation tag. If "Reset EXIF orientation" is not checked, the tag is not updated, so the picture will be rotated again next time.

That doesn't square with my outline above. When I open the image before modifying it, it opens right side up.

After adding the markup, but with the Orientation unchanged, it opens rotated.

In both cases the orientation setting is "Right Top", but the display is not the same.

[JendaLinda]

Have you tried to reset the orientation tag? The rotation description is little misleading, Top Right actually means rotate the picture 90 deg clockwise.

[Cynthia Moore]

Have you tried to reset the orientation tag? The rotation description is little misleading, Top Right actually means rotate the picture 90 deg clockwise.

Yes, I did reset the orientation tag. That solved that problem. But that is not the point I am trying to make now. I do not understand why IV would show the same image with the same Orientation setting one way without the markup and a different way with it.

[JendaLinda]

When you first open the image, IrfanView automatically rotates it. You do the edits and save the image without resetting the tag, so the tag remains the same. The orientation tag simply tells the program to rotate the image, so next time the already rotated image is rotated once more.

The orientation tag was developed to simplify digital cameras, so the camera can always save the image data in the native position of the sensor, usually horizontal. The tag indicates that the photo should be rotated in software to be displayed correctly.